I don't even know how to phrase my thoughts here. The thing is, in Origins the Ashes cure Arl Eamon. What... does it mean? That the ashes really are Adraste's, preserved for hundreds of years? That they are divine of sorts? They have miraculous powers? So it's all real, not a matter of belief? How is it that they are never mentioned afterwards? That the Andrastian Thedas forgets all about them? I suppose it makes sense if the Warden killed Genetivi, but if not, Genetivi really does bring it to the public.

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Just... any thoughts about this? How does, or how could, the discovery of the Ashes impact Thedas if it wasn't swept under the carpet? (I've probably missed some important codex entry on this matter, so please have patience with me. I'm pure Sera-level confused.)


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From what I understand, the ashes "disappear" after the temple is found and the warden leaves. Either they just vanish due to plot magic, or the chantry hides them, imagine if tevinter actually found an old god before the darkspawn did, and sprinkled the ashes on it yeah? bad times, that's why they hid em.


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But... has the knowledge of them spread? Is some random mercenary somewhere in the dark alleys of Denerim thinking "So the Ashes were found, guess the Maker's real then", or a random dwarf wondering what the whole deal with the some miraculous ashes is? Does the recovery of the Ashes have any impact, on Andrastians or non-Andrastians? Or should it have?


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It's been speculated that the urn once contained regular ashes but the the Lyrium within the temple gave them their life-giving abilities and are not actually divine. As for why they just sort of disappear, it's not known who or what took them nor what they intended to use the ashes for. And since the urn itself is never actually recovered and shown to the public, those who aren't Andrastian are probably skeptical on the whole ordeal


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It's been speculated that the urn once contained regular ashes but the the Lyrium within the temple gave them their life-giving abilities and are not actually divine.

With lyrium ghost Leliana turning out to be a thing, this really does seem like the most likely answer. Which is good, 'random miracle I guess???' never sat right with me as a significant plot point.


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If Genitivi is alive and the high dragon killed, the location of the temple is made known to and revealed by the Chantry and people make pilgrimages to view it. I don't think the urn disappears then, but I also don't remember any further mention of it. I'd be curious as to what the Chantry does with the ashes then.

As for whether the ashes were really divine, imo that makes more sense than anything else, but I'm not sure it means much for anyone of any faith. Andraste could have been a human blessed by the Maker, she could have been a super special mage, she or the Maker or both could be revisions of ancient elven gods or nature gods or whatever, or the ashes may have been something else entirely and romantically called "Andraste's ashes". People will believe what they want.


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I think the ashes, who Andraste really was (Mythal, OGB Dumat), and the temple itself are all intertwined.

The temple is originally some sort of Elven place (evidenced by statues and the Mythal mosaic) on top of a big lyrium mountain so basically a Titan.

There's ALOT of weird magic happening there from all three of the major magical forces in Thedas in my opinion: the Old Gods in the form of Andrastes ashes (Old God Baby), the temple (Mythal), and the mountain it was built into (Titans). So yes, I think the ashes do work.


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But the Conclave is at the Temple of Sacred Ashes, right? That makes it sound like they were remembered to some extent.


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Like lots of other fantasy worlds such as ASOIAF, magic and religion I'm Dragon Age are intimately related.

As demonstrated by Mythal and Fen'Harel, magic and divinity are linked in many different ways. I think it is safe to say that Andraste definitely existed, just like Jesus (her real world allegory) definitely existed. The archeological and historical evidence is proof enough of that.

With that in mind, you can take one of two viewpoints on the subject.

The ashes in the urn are powerful due to the work of the maker, in which case they almost certainly are Andraste's.

The ashes in the urn are only powerful because of the magic of others, in which case it doesn't matter if they truly are Andraste's.

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I love that religion isn't just an afterthought or a plot point in Dragon Age, like it is in things like Skyrim. Playing as Andraste's faithful in Inquisition was one of my favorite parts of the series, and I hope the continue having faith as another part of character building both in later installments and in Mass Effect Andromeda.